« The Summer Of Monkey | Main | Incoming »

Comments

Wait. Ryan Adams and Bryan Adams are two different people?

Actually, do read it if you have time. The difference in wording makes all the difference to the joke. It is not just noshing as in eating food...

Yes, read the column (it's not that long), then you can say whether or not he has a point. And he does. I'm 100% on his side.

As a journalist who has also done lots of subbing over the years I can see both sides of this - some journos aren't actually great writers, some subs are not very sensitive in their surgery/butchery. Coren obviously has a point (although I'm not sure that most of his readers will have come away thinking 'Ah, if only he'd put an 'a' in there how much better it would have been' - myself included) but loses my sympathy for the outrageous and hysterical language in which he makes his point. The sub did not slaughter his family. It just makes Coren look like a prima donna (and let's face it, while he's not a bad writer, he's no Murakami, he's not even Alan Coren. He's reviewing a restaurant here, not penning an awardwinning poem or reporting back from a front line). The B(R)yan Adams mistake is truly terrible since the sub went so far as to check with you (which most don't) and then disregard your answer.

Or is it just a joke? He seems such a nice chap on television.

The way someone expresses their unhappiness about something shouldn't be used against them. What sounds 'outrageous and hysterical' to someone may be 'restrained' to someone else.

If someone says 'Relax!' or 'You'll live' to me (which is, in effect, what you are doing, Alex), I want to bite them. Who says what one should be angry about and in what way?

I am one of those readers who *would* come away thinking the addition of an 'a' before 'nosh' would make more sense. What the 'unaware' reader thinks of a piece is irrelevant to the writer. The writer writes as best he can, and that should be respected.

I am a sub-editor and yet I am entirely on Coren's side.

Every author I have ever worked with has expressed themselves with exactly this level of outrage when faced with what they felt was ignorant copy-editing, mine or someone else's. Plus or minus the swearing but, hey, that's only language. The whole point of my job is NOT to do something that would get this reaction, but, the thankfully few times I've been on the receiving end, I've always understood the depth of the fury.

And the lost pun apart, some people have an ear for rhythm and some don't, and if you don't you shouldn't be a sub. Authors have a right to expect their mistakes to be caught, their grammar corrected and their writing to be improved if necessary, and left alone if not.

I'm with you, Lulu. I'm a sub, too, and Coren has a right to be angry. Perhaps not incensed and abusive (pace Bela), but certainly he has a cause for complaint. But perhaps, at other times, the subs have saved his arse. Some are more awake than others. And in my experience, the prima donnas who shout at you are usually the worst writers, and the least likely to thank you when you save them from themselves. So, fine, let's print Coren unedited and see what he's really made of.

Surely this is all just a strum in a tin cap and will blowover soon.

I'm with Coren, too. He's employed to write because he knows how to write.
I'm afraid a lot of subs (and thankfully there are some exceptions, but sadly not too many) simply don't understand language in the way journalists do.
Nowadays, on a lot of papers and mags, they do less fact-checking, probably couldn't even spell libel (let alone understand the law relating to it) and don't do much design or layout.
I fear their days might be numbered.
Apologies if there are any typos in this (perhaps I need a sub!)

The comments to this entry are closed.

Books Read: 2015

One You May Have Missed

  • Ian Holding: Unfeeling

    Ian Holding: Unfeeling
    Unforgettable novel told from the point of view of the son of a white Zimbabwean farmer whose land is reclaimed by an armed mob. I thought it was an oustanding debut and am surprised the author didn't go on to bigger and better things.

My Books

Now Playing

Kindle Sampled

  • Albertine Sarrazin: Astragal

    Albertine Sarrazin: Astragal
    A few pages into some of the most overwrought and pretentious writing I have come across for a while I realised I was reading the intro by Patti Smith rather than the novel itself. Only a few pages of the novel are included in this sample and they are better than the intro. (***)

  • Peter Stanford: Judas: The troubling history of the renegade apostle

    Peter Stanford: Judas: The troubling history of the renegade apostle
    I heard this chap interviewed on Australian radio so checked out his book. His premise is that Judas wasn't necessarily the chap who shopped Jesus and that that bit of the story was made up later. I suspect the whole bloody Bible was made up later, but that's another matter. Enjoyed the sample of this and will read the rest. (****)

  • M. D. Lachlan: Wolfsangel

    M. D. Lachlan: Wolfsangel
    I was quickly sucked in to this Viking novel. Very keen to read on. (****)

  • Eva Stachniak: The Winter Palace

    Eva Stachniak: The Winter Palace
    A novel based on the early life of Catherine the Great. Having read a lengthy biography of her last year I was impressed by how well Stachniak stuck to the facts while also bringing to life. (****)

  • Phillip Adams: Bedtime Stories: 21 Years Behind the Mike at RN's Late Night Live

    Phillip Adams: Bedtime Stories: 21 Years Behind the Mike at RN's Late Night Live
    Thanks to the wonders of the internet, I listen to this chap's Australian radio show and always find him to be a measured and intriguing presenter and interviewer. I am equally enamoured with his memoir. (****)

Twittering

Big Mouth at the Movies

  • : Dallas Buyers Club

    Dallas Buyers Club
    Great performances and I appreciated the fact that it never took the sentimental route. (****)

  • : The Fighter

    The Fighter
    Great performances all round. (****)

  • : Mad Max: Fury Road

    Mad Max: Fury Road
    Confused. Terrible dialogue. And what little CGI they did use looked rubbish. A huge disappointment. (**)

  • : Jiro Dreams Of Sushi

    Jiro Dreams Of Sushi
    Documentary about the best sushi chef in the world. Made me really want some eel nigiri. (****)

  • : Me Without You

    Me Without You
    Second time I've seen this. It was the film that made me realise Michelle Williams was amazing. (****)

  • : Meteora

    Meteora
    Beautifully shot. Not enough plot. (***)

  • : Untouchable

    Untouchable
    One of the most successful French movies of all time. I can see why. (****)

  • : Involuntary

    Involuntary
    Swedish film that cleverly looks at group dynamics and how they influence the actions of the individual. Sort of cinema verite in style, the shots of often framed as if you are a voyeur looking on. (****)

  • : The Fall

    The Fall
    What a great movie. Amazed I had never heard of it before. Stunning cinematography. Loved it. (*****)

  • : Where the Truth Lies

    Where the Truth Lies
    Interesting thriller. Not a classic, by any means, but worth a look if it's on the telly. (***)

  • : Guardians of the Galaxy

    Guardians of the Galaxy
    Good fun, I thought. Not the best film in the world but a cut above the usual superhero stuff. (****)

  • : The Tale Of The Princess Kaguya

    The Tale Of The Princess Kaguya
    Unlike any animation I have seen. Quite stunning. (****)

Quick Flicks

Dipping Into

New Arrivals

Currently Reading

  • Ricky Ponting: At the Close of Play

    Ricky Ponting: At the Close of Play
    With the latest Ashes series underway I felt it was a good time to read this whopper of a memoir which has been sitting on my shelf for a while.